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Post by NEVER on Jul 18, 2014 19:13:56 GMT -8
lore is extremely important, but modernization is too. having a harry statue is a p good idea- maybe with some sort of faded writing. just as an acknowledgement to the books and canon and such. the school is probably relatively new. we can assume hogwarts was around for....idk, thousands of years? i don't remember any specific mention. so i imagine the NYC academy is... about 100 years old. give or take 10-20 years.
school is def more modern. i can imagine it's more realistic and up to date. pens and paper/workbooks rather than parchment and quills. etc etc. and the structure of classes would be different too. things like greenhouse classes, wild creature stuff, charms even, would be more...elective-y. with dark arts, history of magic, potions, and transfigurations being concrete. as in any academy, as you progress in years, you get to choose more specialized classes, ie an artsy, nature-loving student would have a schedule in her fifth year looking something like: herbology, care of magical creatures, divination, earth magic, dark arts, potions and so forth, perhaps eliminating things like history of magic and transfigurations.
there's a list of the hogwarts classes here, but i imagine the nyc classes would be different.
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Post by MASQUE on Jul 19, 2014 4:09:04 GMT -8
I wasn't suggesting that we made the gangs the main theme of the site, but actually set up the side part of the gangs to make sense rather then 'don't spend time on it since it's a side matter' since it'll look sloppy if it's like that. But either way, it was an offer to fuse the sites rather then just make two different sites, since I already have an url and everything. Also harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/United_States_of_America is a good thing to go read really quick since it gives a minor canon idea from what's already set in the HP universe. I mean we're already going to have to explain what happened to the Salem Institute, unless we retcon them into moving in NY or something. Like I offered earlier, I can write up a lot of lore once we decided a direction. I'll also offer my services for wands. As for class, I suggest pulling from the canon system; have a few required classes through first to fifth year, because OWLS and then have a more liberal schedule for sixth and sevenths. Since OWLS are like the generic test to pass what is required, and NEWTS is what you more specialize in for careers in the future. So taking your example, after that character's owls, she would probably go into advanced care of magical creatures etc. where the classes are probably longer then a single block unlike before. Let me know if I made sense, it's early /shot
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Post by NEVER on Jul 19, 2014 6:35:13 GMT -8
yeah, but gangs aren't too hard to work out. especially in a new york setting. i just think i prefer an academy to "four gangs, representing houses" which it was you specified in your last post. on that note- i think the academy's houses should be very different from hogwart's. thanks for linking MASQUE , it reminded me about the salem witch trials. i imagine that's when the school started to form. that was in 1693, i'd say the school was finished and up by 1750 ish? meaning it's about 250 years old. (and also, we might want to keep the sites separate, as they seem like they're both cool ideas and can stand on their own)
the canon system works but i'd rather americanize it. we'll follow the same year system: at 11 you begin year one and so on, but classes and such will change throughout the years. i think years 5, 6 and 7 will be more college-like, where you can specify what you'd like to study and all, 1, 2, 3, and 4 are more like high school, you have a medium-low number of core classes (dark arts, potions, transfigurations, history of magic, or something like this) and they can choose a few other classes.
a year three student interested in potions and smaller, situational magic might have a schedule like this: dark arts, potions, transfigurations, history of magic, divination, charms.
a year seven student interested in potions and smaller, situational magic might have a schedule like this: potions, transfigurations, divinations, alchemy, charms, apparition.
my idea is kinda just allowing 5, 6, 7 students to choose a major and a minor: two of the four core classes. and then letting them pick classes that go with that subject/compliment it.
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Post by gimmick on Jul 19, 2014 9:16:47 GMT -8
I don't think the academy needs official sorting the way there is at Hogwarts if it's a fluid gang-based system. There could be a main four, but members can still make their own, and not all characters need to be in one if they if they'd rather stay independent.
IMO keeping the flying school separate from where the students/other people live would make it less segregated between muggles/wizards and students/nonstudents (adults who aren't professors, dropouts, etc.), especially the latter since the seclusion of those two always tended to bother me in most Hogwarts rps. Hence why I suggested a college town and the campus can be in the air.
As for Salem Institute, since its' going to be AU, I don't think we actually need to use the wiki canon exactly. We can just use the time frame and say it was always the NY one from the start rather than figure out what happened to it
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Post by beekeeper on Jul 19, 2014 11:03:53 GMT -8
this sounds... so good... (i only skimmed the thread tbh sorry if i'm contradicting/missing out on stuff that was mentioned)
just a suggestion - what if it was a public magic school? like hogwarts took students all over the uk and you had to be invited and stuff, but maybe this one isn't really exclusive and just for all witches and wizards living in the NYC area? it would make for a different school climate i guess, and then it would make sense that there is no formal sorting.
(though if it was public, i'm not sure what the rich purebloods would be doing there... but there's probably some way to get it to work.)
but i think it would integrate the school more into the city itself. like, i know someone mentioned it was gonna be school-focused but i think it would be fun to broaden it to just magical-nyc? because then you could have the american ministry of magic, canon pureblood families, established businesses and stuff. obviously you'd probably need some overarching plot to tie them into the school but yeah.
like either way i'm interested but just a thought i guess.
also i don't think there's been any talk about hosting, but if it's on v5 i might be able to skin for it?
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Post by NEVER on Jul 19, 2014 11:33:18 GMT -8
gimmick i don't think gangs would be in the school. school has houses, gangs can be made outside the school, like crime groups, muggle watch groups etc etc. gangs are for the adults. beekeeper public def leaves it open. i think maybe it's... less invite only and more "apply." i doubt they'd be exclusive. you also bring up a great point with the integration- that is def gonna be something that has to be worked on. we wanna make sure it feels like one, big city. not like an academy + a city. also it's probably gonna be v5? idk i just find it easier. oh man oh man a skin would be greeeeeeeeeeaaaat
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Post by harusame!! on Jul 19, 2014 11:55:13 GMT -8
This is a bit random but if the site goes sort of ALL of New York instead of school focused, maybe we could sort of incorporate NYC into the Harry Potter universe. And by this I mean monuments like The Empire State or The Statue of Liberty could have secret passages and stuff? Like you go to The Statue of Liberty through some passage and enter New Yorks version of Diagonal Alley.
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Post by gimmick on Jul 19, 2014 12:12:30 GMT -8
gimmick i don't think gangs would be in the school. school has houses, gangs can be made outside the school, like crime groups, muggle watch groups etc etc. gangs are for the adults. Not gangs in the traditional delinquent sense so much as much less restrictive and enforced houses that aren't just relegated to within the school grounds. Although I guess if a large bunch of rebellious students did band together and choose to cause trouble when out of school it could also be the delinquent kind
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Post by beekeeper on Jul 19, 2014 13:14:48 GMT -8
imo the easiest way to integrate it would be to make it a day school, so students would be living in the city, hanging around wizarding nyc when they aren't in class.
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Post by gimmick on Jul 19, 2014 13:18:28 GMT -8
^yesss i didn't know they had an actual term aside from not boarding
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Post by minnie on Jul 19, 2014 13:43:42 GMT -8
i personally really liked gimmick's idea of a 'college town' setting, instead of just the traditional boarding school.
i also think the school gangs concept would be pretty cool, especially since the school would be divided into the four houses - and each house would maybe have a gang / 'crew' / whatever. P:
/ would this be on jcink or pb.
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Post by NEVER on Jul 19, 2014 14:09:20 GMT -8
probs pb. i love the college town idea too but i want to emphasize that it's not 100% about the school? like in all honesty it might be more fun to have a 21 year old wizard running around the city. beekeeper the only problem with that is...11 year olds. and 12 year olds. and 13/14 year olds lol. i think maybe making it like: 5,6,7 th year students can live off campus. obvs some of the younger kids could live with their families but if they don't have family/aren't located in NY, where would they be? on that note, i don't think anyone will play 11 year olds. i'm thinking of changing it 1st year age to 14, like you're starting high school. first year kids are 15, second are 16, third are 17, fourth are 18, fifth 19, sixth 20, seventh 21. that way everyone could live in an apartment. 15 year old kids would likely share apartments, to be safe. maybe there's even some sort of special apt building that only wizards live in? and also ab the houses- i don't think they're super divided as they were in hogwarts. i DO think however that they count points and such- bc hogwarts is their predecessor and it's kind of a big school tradition. houses would be completely different from hogwarts though. whether they're just different personality traits or a different theme altogether, i want to distinguish them. the gangs is cool but. it makes it sorta rowdy. and i prefer the idea of having the people living in the city (21 and older) be able to group together and make gangs.
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Post by gimmick on Jul 19, 2014 14:52:37 GMT -8
Wouldn't having them live directly in the school just make it more school-focused though :\? As would the strict 4 houses and the point scoring.
Student gangs could be more like fraternities/sororities (but not limited by gender) with houses, independent students could stay with their family or in the apartments
I'm just having trouble seeing how having the college town/mini-city integrated within NY would take away from non-school interactions. It doesn't have to be only students living there. If anything that'd give everyone greater chance to wreak havoc on muggles. For example, how chaotically awesome would it be if there were people playing hooky magically duking it out with those trying to catch them in the muggle part of NY. Why does there have to be such a heavy distinction between current students and older wizards?
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Post by beekeeper on Jul 19, 2014 15:16:13 GMT -8
i definitely like the years aged up, the higher years more like college-aged - they could even have like career placements so they'd be more involved in the magical world.
i just suggested it because boarding school is kind of restrictive in that you aren't supposed to go off the grounds, etc. but i like the apartment building idea - it doesn't need to be in the school, or even near the school. it could just be an apartment building that's owned/inhabited by witches and wizards that a lot of students elect to live in, while others can live in muggle buildings/homes if they prefer.
imo i'd like it better if it wasn't a centralized thing. like the wizarding locations being built almost haphazardly all around the city as it expanded so they're kind of spread out. instead of one wizarding area, all the magical streets and stores and stuff being all over the place so you need to actually travel through the city regularly.
sorority/fraternity style houses is pretty much what i was thinking, student organized, like you can have the pureblood-exclusive not-just-anybody can join and then you have more casual everybody-is-welcome ones and etc.
and yeah, like i said, there probably needs to be some sort of catalyst for student and older wizard interactions, like you know the ministry doesn't get all up in hogwarts until the later books.
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Post by minnie on Jul 19, 2014 18:07:36 GMT -8
omf gimmick is onto something with this sorority / fraternity thing /involved in greek life irl LOLOL omf omf omf i would join a hp site in a heartbeat that has some greek life shit goin on * A * but pb omf whyyyy
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