[minnie]

darth vader lmao u mad bruh take a chill pill here

[darth vader]

i guess i am mad that you won't drop half the money you did on that mac for a computer that works twice as well so i don't have to stare at these shitty ass skins anymore, yeah ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Deleted]

May 9, 2015 14:17:10 GMT -8 darth vader said:

i guess i am mad that you won't drop half the money you did on that mac for a computer that works twice as well so i don't have to stare at these shitty ass skins anymore, yeah ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

chill, princess minnie is entitled to do whatever she wants with her money. and whatever problem she faces she will find a solution. lol

[SIFR]

May 9, 2015 14:17:10 GMT -8 darth vader said:

i guess i am mad that you won't drop half the money you did on that mac for a computer that works twice as well so i don't have to stare at these shitty ass skins anymore, yeah ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Chill out darth vader, no need for that kind of behaviour.

Let's all try not to turn this into a fight, alright?

[SEADRA]

May 9, 2015 14:17:10 GMT -8 darth vader said:

i guess i am mad that you won't drop half the money you did on that mac for a computer that works twice as well so i don't have to stare at these shitty ass skins anymore, yeah ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

what's up tsun, we don't super talk, nor do i really have mod powers to say this anymore, but i felt this response was necessary. i don't care how much you like or dislike minnie, or if you hate her / your skinning style or whatever you're thinking that gave you the desire to post this - but mutual respect is very important. what you stated has nothing to do with the problem at hand, as minnie (and many others have voiced they have due to this thread) is facing a problem, and is wanting to figure out why what she produces is coming out this way, if there's anything wrong with her computer's settings, or if it is others' that aren't processing it correctly. like, she doesn't want to produce 'shitty as skins' and is actually trying to make them look better. this comment was completely unnecessary to the thread, was annoyingly passive aggressive, and did not need to be voiced publicly. if you have a problem with the skin or skinner, i advise you to take it up personally with them or another staff member, or let off steam to a friend and don't let your negativity seep into a public thread.

i'm sorry that you feel holier-than-thou and think you have made a "superior" choice in choosing pc over mac. just fyi, there are things that macs are better at that pcs just simply aren't. one of those things is graphic design, which is what minnie (and many others in the community) enjoy doing. macs are also great for people producing music or videos, as the given programs are 8000x better than the provided pc programs (that you don't pay separately for), and also last a super long time and don't get junked up as quickly as pcs do. pcs are super great if you're a gamer, programmer, coder, or do a lot of office work, which is why they are provided to many people who work in office-based companies. however, i feel like your response wasn't attacking mac users as much as it was attacking the person, which is extremely uncalled for and childish. please, do come back when you have some actual advice addressing the issue presented. have a super stellar day.

[minnie]

Super duper stellar

Honestly if auto requoting every one of a member's posts was a setting I'd do it for SEADRA

Preach

[darth vader]

i don't have a personal problem with minnie, i don't even know minnie as a person
but for the last like six months+ gs has been subjected to skins that verge from "ugly" to "actively impede even being able to use the website" and this is not a minority opinion, i'm just a dick who will voice it
although we have had minnie skins in the past that were so bad people commented in the cbox publicly (albeit a lot more politely than i did) and minnie changed them lol

if a website is SO badly designed that i quit using it because the interface is unreadable/garishly ugly--which is one of the reasons i am no longer active on gs--then as a user, i feel compelled to speak up. if minnie puts a skin out there, she's going to get feedback and i held off for a long time but it turned into a trend of skins that make accessing gangnam style hard if not impossible and then minnie realizes there's actually a problem with her skins for 90+ percent of the people who have to deal with it and is just like "oprah should give everyone macs"

also pcs surpassed macs in video editing and graphics a long time ago, that argument was out of date in like 2007 lmao. and yeah it's sorry but i'm not sorry that it's annoying that as a user i have to deal with a near unusuable website design, i get bombarded with people bitching ab the skin on skype whenever a new one rolls out but GOD FORBID anyone say anything in case someone's feelings get hurt about the internet pixels they put on an rp resource site instead of just FIXING the problem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i apologize if it came off as personal
it wasn't :>

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May 9, 2015 15:25:11 GMT -8 darth vader said:

i don't have a personal problem with minnie, i don't even know minnie as a person
but for the last like six months+ gs has been subjected to skins that verge from "ugly" to "actively impede even being able to use the website" and this is not a minority opinion, i'm just a dick who will voice it
although we have had minnie skins in the past that were so bad people commented in the cbox publicly (albeit a lot more politely than i did) and minnie changed them lol

if a website is SO badly designed that i quit using it because the interface is unreadable/garishly ugly--which is one of the reasons i am no longer active on gs--then as a user, i feel compelled to speak up. if minnie puts a skin out there, she's going to get feedback and i held off for a long time but it turned into a trend of skins that make accessing gangnam style hard if not impossible and then minnie realizes there's actually a problem with her skins for 90+ percent of the people who have to deal with it and is just like "oprah should give everyone macs"

also pcs surpassed macs in video editing and graphics a long time ago, that argument was out of date in like 2007 lmao. and yeah it's sorry but i'm not sorry that it's annoying that as a user i have to deal with a near unusuable website design, i get bombarded with people bitching ab the skin on skype whenever a new one rolls out but GOD FORBID anyone say anything in case someone's feelings get hurt about the internet pixels they put on an rp resource site instead of just FIXING the problem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i apologize if it came off as personal
it wasn't :>

The problem isn't what you're saying, its how you're saying it

you can just talk about how its an issue / list the issues without being a huge dick about all of it

Something as actively simple as "Hey, this skin isn't working, because of X and Y, and the following people agree and also say X and Y..."

not "your mac is a piece of shit hahaha this is how i contribute"

[SEADRA]

May 9, 2015 15:25:11 GMT -8 darth vader said:

i don't have a personal problem with minnie, i don't even know minnie as a person
but for the last like six months+ gs has been subjected to skins that verge from "ugly" to "actively impede even being able to use the website" and this is not a minority opinion, i'm just a dick who will voice it
although we have had minnie skins in the past that were so bad people commented in the cbox publicly (albeit a lot more politely than i did) and minnie changed them lol

if a website is SO badly designed that i quit using it because the interface is unreadable/garishly ugly--which is one of the reasons i am no longer active on gs--then as a user, i feel compelled to speak up. if minnie puts a skin out there, she's going to get feedback and i held off for a long time but it turned into a trend of skins that make accessing gangnam style hard if not impossible and then minnie realizes there's actually a problem with her skins for 90+ percent of the people who have to deal with it and is just like "oprah should give everyone macs"

also pcs surpassed macs in video editing and graphics a long time ago, that argument was out of date in like 2007 lmao. and yeah it's sorry but i'm not sorry that it's annoying that as a user i have to deal with a near unusuable website design, i get bombarded with people bitching ab the skin on skype whenever a new one rolls out but GOD FORBID anyone say anything in case someone's feelings get hurt about the internet pixels they put on an rp resource site instead of just FIXING the problem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i apologize if it came off as personal
it wasn't :>

nope that's not what i was saying at all. i was saying that what you're voicing doesn't fit the actual topic of this thread and if you had a problem with the skin, you can ALWAYS take it up with minnie - she won't feel offended if you politely mention that the coloors are super bright on your screen or don't like a certain design feature. why would you hold off and wait for a relatively un-related thread to voice it in a dick way? saying you don't like something isn't a dick move, but the way you said it was a dick-move. how the fuck would she (or anyone) know to fix the problem if nobody told her? like, it wouldn't have offended anyone if you had sent her a pm and said 'ok so not to come off as rude but a few of us have been talking and we have a problem with x, y, and z because of these reasons.' and presented it in an actual, polite, RESPECTFUL way because it takes a LONG-ASS TIME to skin proboards forums, and not only that they are a bitch to code, esp. if you're not used to them. like seriously, if the site is "unusable", is blinding on your screen, or if you have serious issues it is your responsibility to voice them directly and relatively privately to the creator. i believe every time a skin is updated, a message is always included 'if you have an issue, pls contact me!' if it's your personal opinion, for example, "oh my god i fucking hate pink this skin is horrendous" then it's not worth complaining about and suck it up. the skin doesn't change gs's community, templates, or anything else. you can't skin to please everyone, let me tell you that from experience.

it's also incredibly difficult to make things that look good on all screen resolutions and takes a lot of practice and asking around, 'hey does this look ok on your computer' to multiple people with macs, pcs, big screens, small screens, and etc. i'm sorry that you have people complaining to you every time there's a skin change, which that sounds like a personal problem. honestly, this is something that you should have brought up individually / with minnie / instead of saying this is something that has been happening for a long time? literally how was anyone supposed to know that if nobody told a party involved?? 

[SIFR]

02. RESPECT THE MEMBERS. If you are consciously aware that your behaviour is not positive, then it shouldn't be a behaviour that you keep. Know when to be mature, and don't be an ass.

If anyone has any problems with any future skins, please PM Minnie (or myself, if you for some reason feel uncomfortable with PMing Minnie) with your concerns. Like I instructed in the announcement about the new skin.

The people who are bombarding darth vader with complaints about the skin? Start directing that towards the actual staff of the board in constructive comments. Evidently it's stressful for Tsun, as I'm sure it would be for any who had no involvement in the process.

Back on topic. Again, as a reminder, should you have issues with the skin, please PM Minnie or myself with constructive solutions to the problems you have. This topic was to resolve the issues of Minnie's contrast on her mac and how to find a happy ground for skins between PC and Mac. If we decide to continue off of this topic, I will lock the thread and potentially temporarily ban those who deviate from the topic, depending on how offensive the subject material happens to be.

Continue forward, ladies and gentlemen.

[Kuroya]

minnie - I skin on one laptop and I'm not going to throw stones since I know I'm really bad with colors myself to the point where I legitimately have to ask friends to help me more often than not if it's anything but monochrome, but maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to alternate between the two computers when you're skinning? When I've been making my own, I do try to use both my own and my younger brother's laptop to make sure that it's not the new TrueColor software or whatever (and that the screen resolution doesn't screw everything over, since on the last skin, when I was on the laptop's original resolution, I nearly had a heart attack at how small everything was before I adjusted back to a more reasonable resolution, thanks brand new laptop).

I mean, other than that, there's no real solution I don't think considering some of it does seem to be specific to your computer, and short of probably messing around in a lot of the software and settings, you probably can't fix the color issue. I guess the main solution is to run it past a lot of people before you install it, though I'm sure you usually do that since if I've had the idea, it's bound to have come from someone else first since I've started skinning so late in the game.

Edit: You could also maybe adjust so that the paid ads are entirely in classes in the global header and the affiliates in classes in the global footer (or something similar, just where it's all in the header/footer area)? I don't know how they're set up now, but if you do that, you can keep the paid ads and affs accurate while adjusting for each skin and then GS can just allow members to alternate between all the skins so that if they personally don't like the default, they have alternate options as well.

Or we could use the header/footer idea and put the default (or untaken) layout thing for that in the public so that it's standardized and have a design contest of some sort where any member of GS can submit a skin and if they get x number of positive votes or something, it gets added into the options for a skin list with the understanding that the coder would have to run problem-fixing if there were problems, which would be another solution to a pc/mac issue since there's the opportunity for both to code. Plus, how cool would it be if GS was skinned by all the members, I mean think about it, no resource does anything like that, and I'm a nerd who thinks the idea of a bunch of skin options coded by just general members is a really cool way to show off some of the awesome coders who aren't staff or hugely known

I know these both probably sounds really basic and dumb and assume a whole lot of things and yeah I am probably sounding really dumb just for voicing them but they are options and I'm just trying to cover all angles and find some nice peaceful middle-ground.

[● ULLA]

minnie i use a pc and i have no issue seeing the contrast or the bg - i haven't had any problems with any of the skins that you've put out (either here or on various other sites). admittedly this could easily mean that i am having the same display problems as you... but maybe the issue isn't to do with your computer being a mac after all..?

[THE LEVIATHAN]

lawd a massi this is a mess

SIFR Thank you, Sifr, for knowing how to de-escalate problems. It's concerning when others with the same title cannot.

Moving on,

Briefly chiming in to say that Macs have retina display (if you got one with that feature that is) and very glossy screens. I work with 27 inch Macs in school. The key is to just look at your design on other screens and other platforms - this is what I learn in school. I ask friends regarding how things look because design is focused on readability and the user's experience. There is never an excuse for a lack of readability.

I'd definitely say adjust your screen based on the color thing Reit offered and try standing up and stepping away from your laptop as you design. You will see the colors in a different light and this is how I handled stuff on my Mac and my new laptop, which is super shit due to it being fully touchscreen. Biggest thing is to ask your friends "is this accessible? Is this okay visibility wise?"

These guides might be of use to you:
Accessibility and Design
Calibrate Macs

[Madame Yandere]

Random member piping up because I was linked this from a friend. I haven't touched GS in a long time and all my posts are just GONE. Granted I was an inconsequential member mainly because I don't do proboards. But from a design perspective I want to pipe up because it looked like everyone was ganging up on Minnie and Tsun.

The retina display thing is a very valid point. I had a macbook at one point and while I don't code proboards the difference is very obvious and you should go out of your way to check PC. Simply saying people should get a mac or "oprah should give everyone macs" is not going to happen.

Fact of the matter is the majority of rpers use PC instead of mac because of budget and user friendliness. So when you're designing, you're designing for the majority as well, not just yourself. You can't code for everyone and certainly don't release something unless YOU are satisfied with it. But for the random members that pipe up every now and then because of one little thing, don't worry too much. However if a lot of them agree, then clearly something is wrong.

I find when I do a general test with a focus group of people who are HONEST and will give you constructive criticism with no sugar coating and are blunt, is really handy. It gives you perspective on your design, however harsh. There is no hand holding. If you can't handle actual criticism though, no matter the brutal response or lack of sugar coating or meanness, don't do it because you'll feel bad and your feelings will get hurt. But if you can handle it, get a small group of people you trust.

However I notice that on proboards resource sites skinners get all kinds of praise and very little criticism and it needs to change. How do you expect people to get better and grow if you're just showering them with compliments?

This is the main reason why I never posted any of my skins on here.


What you can also do is take the color challenge. Not a colorblindness test but see how well you distinguish shades of color. That has helped me infinitely on the design front.


EDIT: Color Challenge

[minnie]

ok lol this topic has gone on long enough so let me put it to rest.

001 for everyone suggesting I show my skins to multiple users before putting it up - if anyone is friends with me at all, they're constantly getting bombarded on skype by me as 'how does this look,' to at least 5-10 people, most of whom don't have macs. and no, they don't baby me; SEADRA is the homegirl 4ever, as is SIFR and various other people. lol. so that obviously hasn't worked out for me.

002 clearly, i was kidding with 'oprah should give everyone macs.' that wasn't an actual solution from my mouth, so if everyone could take it as the joke it was, that'd be ace, instead of receiving it as an actual suggestion on my end. i'm not a psychopath lol.

003 Madame Yandere thank you, but i also didn't feel ganged up on at all. i also feel like this thread got more out of hand and intense than it ought to have; i simply asked for a user interface suggestion if there was any, and I tried the 2 actual suggestions (calibration guide, etc) given to me before people started posting about pcs versus macs, which was not my question. so yeah, at that point, i decided lol this thread is obviously not going to help me so oprah give everyone macs l o l #lol.

004 tsun, i'm sorry you feel that way. this is an honest note from me to you - you and your friends seem to dislike my personal design aesthetic if you've abhorred multiples of my skins, and I don't take offense because I totally get my skins aren't everyone's cup of tea. unfortunately, we don't currently have another staffer who can code / and has the free time to do so, but if you know of someone who can code / skin well and wants to take a gander at GS, by all means, let us know. if so many people dislike my skins on GS, i do think someone else should code GS (i mean this completely frankly).

i also hope you don't hold back on your opinions until you get super mad and explode again on account of my feelings, lol; i was completely serious when i asked people to pm me if they had any skin concerns, not to hold back until they got so mad they wrote all over a random thread.

/// on that note, here's an actual PSA

- i really am sorry for people who've been suffering because of my skins. i do ask around to multiple people, several times, none of whom are the type to just suck my dick and praise me how my skins are looking while i code them, and i genuinely didn't know lol. if i don't figure out a solution to the mac thing that works, we can just as easily find a new coder for GS.

- and on that note, if anyone can code well and wants to take a gander at GS, please do PM me!

/// happy roleplaying

/// stay happy, y'all