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Post by tsundere shark on Jun 9, 2015 14:47:57 GMT -8
I had to do it just now bc I didn't really understand what the guy was trying to type and when the English is that bad, I just don't see how anyone is going to like threading with them. But I still feel bad bc they really seemed eager to jump in. At the same time it was apparent that they hadn't read any info which is a major peeve ofmine, so maybe I don't feel too terrible about it.
Anyway, I assume you've all had to do this at some point. What do you usually say/do? Similarly, is there anyone who thinks it's a mean thing to do?
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Post by real on Jun 9, 2015 15:33:50 GMT -8
i don't think it's mean tbh, i mean if it is that bad then it is that bad. plus if they hadn't read any of the info, then it's on them
it's really only mean if you start calling them names & shit really
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Post by eggy azoozoo on Jun 9, 2015 16:27:14 GMT -8
Tbh shounen sites, just specifically shounen sites, tend to have their own especially bad kind of apps where the only way to fix it and make it 1) not obscenely OP 2) actually fit your lore/rules about AU or canon 3) not a complete sob story cliche about secret child assassins or single survivors of a horrible massacre bent on revenge with 1938490238409 gaping plotholes
is to nuke it from space
and tell them to start over ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by Verse on Jun 9, 2015 16:33:45 GMT -8
I usually deny apps when it's something they need to rework all together, like nothing can really be salvaged. Which I've had to do a couple times, people coming in and copy pasting other apps into this app, thinking no one reads or tries to understand. Especially when their history has absolutely nothing to do with the site itself, or it becomes obvious they haven't read anything.
Don't mean to sound harsh, I'm excited you wanna RP with us but I wrote the information for you to read, not me. And if you can't be bothered to read it and make a decent app with what we're worked hard over and provided for you, then I can't be bothered to work with you and pend it to try and fix it. Simple as that.
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Post by real on Jun 9, 2015 16:45:03 GMT -8
Tbh shounen sites, just specifically shounen sites, tend to have their own especially bad kind of apps where the only way to fix it and make it 1) not obscenely OP 2) actually fit your lore/rules about AU or canon 3) not a complete sob story cliche about secret child assassins or single survivors of a horrible massacre bent on revenge with 1938490238409 gaping plotholes is to nuke it from space and tell them to start over ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ this was basically the problem i had on my site lol should have taken your advice from a long time ago
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Post by tsundere shark on Jun 9, 2015 16:54:42 GMT -8
I usually deny apps when it's something they need to rework all together, like nothing can really be salvaged. Which I've had to do a couple times, people coming in and copy pasting other apps into this app, thinking no one reads or tries to understand. Especially when their history has absolutely nothing to do with the site itself, or it becomes obvious they haven't read anything. Don't mean to sound harsh, I'm excited you wanna RP with us but I wrote the information for you to read, not me. And if you can't be bothered to read it and make a decent app with what we're worked hard over and provided for you, then I can't be bothered to work with you and pend it to try and fix it. Simple as that. lmao I've had so many people come over from (presumably) other FT sites with all this copy-pasted stuff like a history mentioning the Fairy Tail guild and in their spells they have this mechanical shit and I'm like...none of that is a thing here. Res is barely even an FT site tbh. It just has magic and guilds. WHY ARE YOU HERE IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN INTERESTED ENOUGH TO READ DHFGEKAL
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Post by eggy azoozoo on Jun 9, 2015 16:59:27 GMT -8
this was basically the problem i had on my site lol should have taken your advice from a long time ago oh my god my greatest sympathies go out to fellow shounen staffers past and present honestly to save your sanity and avoid the endless feedback loop of "fix this, no this, no this, YOU MADE IT EVEN WORSE THAN BEFORE" it's just much. much. more expedient to tell them to scrap the character. they'd have to completely gut everything about the profile anyways to make it passable. I stopped worrying about looking like a heartless soulsucker when I started thinking about it terms of someone taking a giant steaming crap on my doorstep and asking me to take a whiff and tell them what a fantastic job they did.
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Post by edward on Jun 9, 2015 17:01:16 GMT -8
i promise you i've seen the literal worst app. it's called 'my applictaion' and i archived it immediately without even consulting the person that posted it. take no prisoners.
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Post by Kuroya on Jun 9, 2015 17:05:42 GMT -8
given some of the apps i've gotten on dta, i probably should have a deny option, but we don't.
even for things where it's really painfully obvious they didn't read the lore or have a concept that they've obviously not researched to the point of being really borderline offensive... we don't deny. we pend. but in that pend, we tend to rip them apart - quote or link the lore threads, specify information explained five other times, or impose reality. because yes, every biography requires a suspension of disbelief to some degree, but there is a point where i am not willing to indulge that any longer.
when i don't like an app, i will nit-pick it for errors. if the app is really bad (like what you said) i will go out of my way to find a good list of things to pend them on... because i've found maybe only two people ever who have come out of a huge pend still wanting to fix. and i don't say this to mean, i say this as a general sort of statement: nine times of ten, when the bios are that obviously bad, a large pending notice does just as good of a job turning the bio away as a deny option does.
not to mention a pend, even if broken down into four or five smaller posts, gives people a chance to improve their design. like sure, you didn't read, and i will stare at you with lips pressed into a fine line, but if you actually do read and keep up, there's no reason you can't stay.
plus i'm a huge believer in poorly written character concepts getting "denied" icly because they just end up with no one really wanting to thread with them, so. *shrugs*
edit: sometimes i'm also just a horrible person and casually pretend not to see the notification that they've fixed/finished until the very end of our three day thing or after that, and that also tends to weed out nine out of ten bad bios. and if they do get pended, i usually never hear from them again anyway so.
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Post by tsundere shark on Jun 9, 2015 17:13:07 GMT -8
given some of the apps i've gotten on dta, i probably should have a deny option, but we don't.
even for things where it's really painfully obvious they didn't read the lore or have a concept that they've obviously not researched to the point of being really borderline offensive... we don't deny. we pend. but in that pend, we tend to rip them apart - quote or link the lore threads, specify information explained five other times, or impose reality. because yes, every biography requires a suspension of disbelief to some degree, but there is a point where i am not willing to indulge that any longer.
when i don't like an app, i will nit-pick it for errors. if the app is really bad (like what you said) i will go out of my way to find a good list of things to pend them on... because i've found maybe only two people ever who have come out of a huge pend still wanting to fix. and i don't say this to mean, i say this as a general sort of statement: nine times of ten, when the bios are that obviously bad, a large pending notice does just as good of a job turning the bio away as a deny option does.
not to mention a pend, even if broken down into four or five smaller posts, gives people a chance to improve their design. like sure, you didn't read, and i will stare at you with lips pressed into a fine line, but if you actually do read and keep up, there's no reason you can't stay.
plus i'm a huge believer in poorly written character concepts getting "denied" icly because they just end up with no one really wanting to thread with them, so. *shrugs*
edit: sometimes i'm also just a horrible person and casually pretend not to see the notification that they've fixed/finished until the very end of our three day thing or after that, and that also tends to weed out nine out of ten bad bios. and if they do get pended, i usually never hear from them again anyway so.
I really like your style omg
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Post by EMMIE on Jun 9, 2015 17:18:31 GMT -8
Normally I won't. Even if I think it is horrible. I will normally tell them what they need to fix and change. I don't think it is wrong to flat out deny something though, if it goes against the site rules or is just the worse thing you have ever seen. What peeves me most is when people break the code and still submit it. Can't you see that it doesn't look like everyone else's? Jeez...
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Post by Kuroya on Jun 9, 2015 17:29:33 GMT -8
I really like your style omg dude i've just learned. usually the "bad" bios aren't so much intentionally bad as much as it is either overeager people who need a bit more help or newbies who need more help since they don't know what they're doing. at least, in my experience, they have been. if i don't want to deal with it, waiting them out or giving them a long pend tends to make them just not show up again. if i feel up to it and walk them through it, it usually is painful but if they're enthusiastic and nice, i deal.
i mean... i guess i'm sorta at that point where i'm like "everyone has to start somewhere". you're allowed to make bad bios. it's okay. everyone has them and if you don't, i'm staring at you because you do, you just aren't at that point yet where you can look back and admit they're bad. if a handful of people weren't willing to sit me down and explain to me a bunch of stuff and let me discover how to make actually decent bios, i wouldn't be able to make some of the characters who have since become site staples.
i can see both sides - op things do need to be addressed and toned down. new rpers should probably not be on a site that's advanced rpers almost exclusively (though that's a good way for them to learn). but at the same time, having a "boring" character concept isn't a crime. we've all made bad character concepts when we start. it happens. you learn to grow out of it as an rper. just give them a chance and a good nudge in the right direction.
because i will freely admit my first rp character was a wolf with blue fur and an outcast of his pack because he was a mapmaker and i unintentionally named him after a loz god and i was using an animanga fc on a rl site and to this day i regret all of my decisions that i made on that first site because i just didn't know what i was doing. i'm still entirely lucky they let me weed myself out rp-wise rather than deny me because i probably would have quit rp completely if they hadn't and yeah, i needed to be allowed to self-destruct charrie concepts on my own a few times before i could make anything decent.
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Post by REIT on Jun 9, 2015 17:42:07 GMT -8
I've denied a few, but all were really bad. One was... well, one was trolling. I refuse to believe it was a legitimate app. It wasn't 'terrible', it was just a completely nonsensical character that made absolutely no sense, completely violated the site canon, and then had sex with a character from the show canon (which... didn't exist on our site).
The rest were all flat out plagiarism, which is always a flat out deny. When someone plagiarizes, you can't really let them 'fix' it, because... well, they're a plagiarist - how do you know it's even their own app the second time around?
When apps are just bad, it's a pend, not a deny.
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Post by Ai on Jun 9, 2015 19:06:31 GMT -8
I actually haven't yet. I'm usually the one who would work with you till the end of days to try and fit the character as long as you have actually read the lore.
Even in the cases you haven't I'm pretty much happy to explain and stuff which is really bad because it promotes laziness.
But maybe now that I'm doing a site that actually is pretty lore-heavy, I may straight up denying apps that just won't work. Especially if people will argue and try to go around the site lore. I don't usually have the iron fist, I have my co-admin for that lmao.
That must have sucked though, I'm sorry.
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Post by pap on Jun 9, 2015 20:04:46 GMT -8
Short story, I was an admin in the past, someone made two lines of history, personality and appearance so I pretty much said, denied. It didn't seem like he was new to role-play based on how he typed as it's quite easy to spot the new kiddies from old role-players from grammar and such and even those that don't know much at least try to put more effort in to making something, well unless the new person was me seven-eight years ago. (I was the most argumentative new person to roleplaying at the time, I regret everything.)
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