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Post by minnie on Jun 2, 2013 21:08:22 GMT -8
So some people have been treating proboards v5 like the impending apocalypse, fearful of even looking at it - and some people have embraced it wholeheartedly.
Personally, I've even made an entire site on v5, skin + myo included - and it took about a day to convert to the v5 type of styling? To be sure, there are some extremely cool factors on v5 on the skinning level, as well as the admining level, as v5 allows for some extreme customizations. However, there are a few things that aren't so desirable - I tried out a few jquery plugins, which didn't work; cellspacing doesn't work in skinning; a few plugins we were used to on v4 no longer has a place on v5.
And though it wasn't 'that bad,' I suppose, I also think Jcink is more alike proboards v4, than v5 is alike v4 - and I shamelessly admit, I do have a large attachment to v4. In addition, Jcink has already had a lot of the features that some have been gushing about v5 - endless subboards, for one. LOL.
In skinning terms, v5 does allow for extreme customization, to the point where you can simply delete each and every component you see on the page, or style them, etcetera - but then, I'm not extensive / good enough of a skinner to even utilize all of it, and I kind of just liked the whole 'stick everything in the headers & footers' deal with v4.
So yeah, I've been considering with a few people the idea of moving to Jcink, and I think the only iffy thing is the lack of a large animanga community on jcink. \ o /
Has anyone else been considering moving hosts after pb v5?
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Post by WRATH on Jun 2, 2013 21:24:18 GMT -8
Honestly, I really like v5. Jcink is more like v4, and allows for greater customization in posts -- re: dohtml tags -- but I think v5 is still easy to use. It's confusing for the first day or so, but once you adjust it becomes ... incredibly convenient.
Participated threads, for one, is fantastic; notifications are also incredibly convenient when you completely forget about threads, or they don't end up showing in your participated portion. The messaging system is also an improvement from v4, as it shows up as essentially a private thread in your messages section -- one that can include multiple people if you wanted. (Granted, you have no way of telling if they've seen it, but it's better than Jcink, which doesn't keep your sent messages at all.)
Jcink has its perks, but so does v5. I personally like both so it's honestly up to you?
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Post by Egao, Egao Everywhere on Jun 3, 2013 6:24:08 GMT -8
Honestly, I really like v5. Jcink is more like v4, and allows for greater customization in posts -- re: dohtml tags -- but I think v5 is still easy to use. It's confusing for the first day or so, but once you adjust it becomes ... incredibly convenient. Participated threads, for one, is fantastic; notifications are also incredibly convenient when you completely forget about threads, or they don't end up showing in your participated portion. The messaging system is also an improvement from v4, as it shows up as essentially a private thread in your messages section -- one that can include multiple people if you wanted. (Granted, you have no way of telling if they've seen it, but it's better than Jcink, which doesn't keep your sent messages at all.) Jcink has its perks, but so does v5. I personally like both so it's honestly up to you? I've been in pbv5 and yeah, the notifications are convenient but having been rping in Jcink for 2 months now, I feel like I can live just as fine without it. I get email notifications when I get a new reply or a new PM and I can delete messages when I've already answered to those. I think you'll really start to feel the advantages between the two depending on the site. If it's a pretty big one that you can't really track through the threads or catch people online, v5's notifications may come in handy. Personally, I don't think it's that useful (as in, you really can't live without it) because I do enjoy browsing through the active threads everyday myself. It gives you a more relaxed pace, you know. Rather than just popping in and seeing those notifications of the people who tagged you then scrambling to check them out. I'm a bit disappointed to find out Jcink can't keep your sent messages either but I'm sure if people request that feature in the forums, they can have it up sometime in the future. It's still not a big lost either. As a member, not someone who skins or codes for both forum hosts, I think I prefer Jcink all in all because it feels more stable and has all the things I need.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 7:54:45 GMT -8
If people want there to be a larger animanga community on jcink, then people are going to have to make them.
I've always felt more comfortable coding on jcink/IF, so I've never had a site on proboards. I've attempted to code on it, but I never got the results that I've liked and just went back to what I knew. I'm hoping to add to the animanga community on jcink with the pokemon noir site. However, if people are reluctant to join a jcink board, then it's not really going to work. :c
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Post by Egao, Egao Everywhere on Jun 3, 2013 7:58:46 GMT -8
At this point, after all the discussions that's been made and down, I don't think people really care about the forum host if they really want to join because of the plot.
...unless it's forummotion. I don't think I'll join a site on that forum host at all. It gave me too much problem from advertising.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 9:10:07 GMT -8
[ I'm a bit disappointed to find out Jcink can't keep your sent messages either but I'm sure if people request that feature in the forums, they can have it up sometime in the future. It's still not a big lost either. No, there is an option to save your PMs. Next time you send a Pm, check the little box that says something like "Save this in my outbox" or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2013 9:22:40 GMT -8
[ I'm a bit disappointed to find out Jcink can't keep your sent messages either but I'm sure if people request that feature in the forums, they can have it up sometime in the future. It's still not a big lost either. No, there is an option to save your PMs. Next time you send a Pm, check the little box that says something like "Save this in my outbox" or whatever. Admins also have the ability to monitor every single PM that is sent between members. Depending on the admin, this could be a good thing or a bad thing.
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Post by GMOT on Jun 3, 2013 9:42:59 GMT -8
No, there is an option to save your PMs. Next time you send a Pm, check the little box that says something like "Save this in my outbox" or whatever. Admins also have the ability to monitor every single PM that is sent between members. Depending on the admin, this could be a good thing or a bad thing. tbh i think that's kinda messed up.
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Post by GMOT on Jun 3, 2013 9:53:07 GMT -8
I'm gonna be that one partypooper. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I hate Jcink, I just don't like it. I've tried, trust me I've tried. I don't enjoy anything except the miniprofiles. Maybe its the fact that the image editor I used decided to be a retard and update to something ridiculous (looking at you photobucket), but I hate how the icons aren't uniform. In Jcink they could be any ridiculous size, which means a whole bunch of resizing or making new graphics. I'm a bit too proud to ask someone to make me graphics (except one of my rp partners, who I rarely even talk to anymore).
But anyway, I have this one friend who really tries to get me into Jcink. I just can't get into it. I don't like the HTML coding inside of the templates - like its fine in skins, but I don't want to go <br> or <p></p> every time I want to skip a line. It's the little things that get me about Jcink. Plus Jcink loads slower for me, than proboards.
I love v5 though, while it may have some bugs that it needs to work out I find it to be amazing and much closer to v4 than Jcink, it terms of being a roleplayer than a skinner. It's ten times more simple for someone who has abandoned HTML, which I was good at coding back in the day. I also enjoy the templates that people seem to be whipping out much better. The notifications and tagging is some of the best things I've seen on a rp board in awhile.
Probably if a majority of the rpers move to Jcink, I won't be one of them.
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Post by Egao, Egao Everywhere on Jun 3, 2013 10:02:17 GMT -8
but I don't want to go <br> or <p></p> every time I want to skip a line. It's the little things that get me about Jcink. Plus Jcink loads slower for me, than proboards.
I didn't know you have to add a </p> lol. At first, I thought I'd dislike having to do that too but I got used to it - plus, I end up liking having the ability to space in coding to make it look neater. It does load slower than proboards though :x
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Post by MINOTO on Jun 4, 2013 8:43:45 GMT -8
When I'm on jcink the only use <p> instead of having to do </p> it can get annoying at times it really can but I do feel more comfortable on Jcink then on V5.
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Post by SEADRA on Jun 12, 2013 9:48:27 GMT -8
/pops in/ oooo - i've been wanting a thread like this for a while, but haven't figured out how to ask it!
I'd also like to hear from the point of a RP'er, because that's just as important. I don't care if you don't personally like to code jcink or v5, but in all honesty - is there a big enough interest for potential members to move to jcink? I know I have simply looked at a site in the past on jcink and been like "wow, pretty!" or jealous of what they can do with the skins and posts and stuff, but not bothered to join because I know it's super similar to IF and I had a weird experience with IF forums.
From a member standpoint, v5 and jcink are very similar. They both let you link to each of your accounts, customize a lot of things with skinning and posts, and so much more than you think. I believe anyone with a general knowledge of how to code, and some guidance, can code both jcink and v5 pretty much equally. To me, it's not an issue of which is nicer to skin, but which is most comfortable to members, and if the members are actually willing to move to jcink, because i feel like a lot of people aren't. /shrugs/ Don't give me the "if members really like your site, then they'll join, regardless of the host!" because that's not entirely true.
At this point, I'm neutral to either, as I see pros and cons to both.
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Post by Egao, Egao Everywhere on Jun 12, 2013 10:40:33 GMT -8
/shrugs/ Don't give me the "if members really like your site, then they'll join, regardless of the host!" because that's not entirely true.
[/justify][/blockquote][/quote] I'm thinking with that though is that you'd really get enough members to sway the rest of the crowd. There will be those hesitant to join no matter what but if they see people joining, it would only be a matter of time. So while this reasoning is not a universal truth, it's a good starter. I think the main concern about this topic is if you want the pb community to shift over to the jcink community. If you're moving to jcink I think you should just keep your head up and join the jcink community instead, rather than hoping to meet the same, familiar crowd. Because, I don't know, I'm in a jcink site that's 90% animanga and it's been going strong for months, so it makes me think that host isn't really a serious animanga factor or whatever. Maybe just in the way things are ran. I noticed jcink rps tend to be more detailed, little information-heavy and have a bigger staff at the start than pb sites. It's just a general observation though.
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Post by MASTERMIND NAEGI on Jun 12, 2013 19:41:12 GMT -8
TL;DR - I've crossed over to jcink and never looked back.
Here's the thing - even at v4 I've always hated coding for Proboards, not because of that you have to use javascript all the time, but because the source code itself was messy. There were inconsistencies everywhere, and there's not a single time where I coded a skin for Proboards and not find an error because of it. In the end it became a personal rule for me that I don't finish a skin without having a headache and cursing a lot. This is why I was ecstatic for v5 when it was announced, because maybe it will be easier for me to skin for Proboards now.
It took me a single look at the CSS to ragequit at v5.
So Jcink comes along and once you get over the staggering amount of classes making a skin for it is actually a lot simpler, especially for a web developer because it is so similar to how one makes an actual webpage. I no longer have to think "how do I code this and apply it to Proboards", I just have to think "how do I code this". I think I can still skin for v5, but why would I want to choose that when I have an option that doesn't make me want to tear my hair out? (I'm currently doing my first skin for Jcink. I have yet to kick something in frustration.)
Just like what Tanz said, I'll join an RP from any hosting if I like it, but when it comes to making one I'll be sticking my guns to Jcink. And it has a store mod I always wanted a store mod.
(I'll even make a Jcink tutorial for you guys)
As for posting - what I like about dohtml is that you can use external css on one post and there's no need to include it on your next one as long as it is in the same thread - it saves a lot of space. And I actually prefer the <p> or <br> method when it comes to breaking paragraphs because with that I can use the enter bar a lot to separate code and text and not have it show up on my post.
My only nitpick on Jcink is that it doesn't tell you about it's 60k character limit on the posting page, but chances are you won't actually reach that limit in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 19:59:46 GMT -8
TL;DR - I've crossed over to jcink and never looked back.
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My only nitpick on Jcink is that it doesn't tell you about it's 60k character limit on the posting page, but chances are you won't actually reach that limit in the first place. I haven't looked back when it comes to my own sites. I do occasionally rp on a pb site though (because I'm not biased depending on host). I have, though, exhausted that 60k limit before. I was shocked.
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