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Post by KAT on Jan 30, 2013 20:10:17 GMT -8
who likes what, and why? and let's debuff any myths surrounding either hosting site. for example, do jcink and invisionfree have the same type of coding? like, could if templates work on a jcink site?
and maybe if someone has questions about either site, people could post them here to be answered. us noobs need help ya know xD;
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Post by Egao, Egao Everywhere on Jan 30, 2013 21:20:30 GMT -8
First of, templates are designs made using HTML or what most of you would know as style tags. Proboards do NOT support html but IF and Jcink DO. The reason we are able to use templates in Proboards is because of iPokemon's hack. If you are aware of the latest update, iPokemon has made the style tags more reminisce of actual html. Before, it was style=blabla when it originally was div style="blablabla" iPokemon has designed his hack to be like the latter recently.
So could IF templates work on Jcink site? Yes, because both sites support html through the dohtml tag built in their systems. The more promising question you might want to know is if proboards template can work on Jcink/IF sites. That answer is - yes, it can. Assuming you have iPokemon's most recent style tag version, all you have to do is change the brackets ( [ ] ) to angle signs (< > ). Additionally, you can use javascript so if you want to use a Googlefont in your template, you can through dohtml.
Let's add Invisionfree into this because IF is older than Proboards and Jcink is quite young yet more developed than both (pre-PB 5 anyway).
I started out in Invisionfree but generally the problem was there isn't enough support or upgrade from the staff. We like adding hacks and codes such as sidebars. IF didn't develop too much of them into their systems so you ended up having to add all sorts of html wall of text in your site. Jcink mends this ultimate flaw with its active friendly staff and continuous development.
So really, I don't think there's any point in comparing IF and Jcink. Jcink is automatically better than IF. I don't see anything that IF is any better at than Jcink.
Between Jcink and Proboards, there are some pros and cons. I prefer Jcink because of the bigger signature storage, ability to upload your own avatars, very customizable design, elaborate permission masks and user groups, HTML in forum rules and forum description, jquery support, sub-accounts, macros, board wrapper variables, custom miniprofile and custom profile fields, in-built money system, portal, trash can forum, advanced profile view...
The only thing I would prefer Proboards over Jcink is its url naming. Proboards ends its links (threads, forums, members) after the name you assigned it but Jcink names it after numbers. My big issue with this is OCD. Even after you delete members and threads, the numbers assigned later on will keep on increasing and it becomes really unappealing seeing member number 1, 251 when there are really just 50 accounts around.
This thing above is a pretty major issue for me. It's a small detail though and doesn't really affect performance overall.
Unrelated but I HATE FORUMOTION. PLEASE DON'T USE IT.
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Post by KAT on Jan 30, 2013 21:29:47 GMT -8
i see. but i'm confused about something you said.
if dohtml is included in posts, why would i need to add in ipokemon's hack? it seems kinda redundant imo. but i'm probably misunderstanding you xD; i'm extremely new to the whole coding thing, so...yeah.
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Post by konya on Jan 30, 2013 22:02:18 GMT -8
what tanz is saying is that you can use style tags (if they start with ) on a jcink forum with doHTML just by changing it to <div style="">. the explanation was that ipokemon updated his proboards code to make it more like proper div styles, so all you have to do to convert them is change the brackets.
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Post by Egao, Egao Everywhere on Jan 30, 2013 22:02:51 GMT -8
i see. but i'm confused about something you said.
if dohtml is included in posts, why would i need to add in ipokemon's hack? it seems kinda redundant imo. but i'm probably misunderstanding you xD; i'm extremely new to the whole coding thing, so...yeah.
No worries lol. New things are always confusing at the start. Just a year ago, I thought everyone was a pro coder and made their own templates >> You don't need iPokemon's hack for Jcink/Invisionfree because they make use of doHTML. Proboards don't have doHTML that's why it needs iPokemon's hack. Here's an example of a template I copy pasted from Proboards to Jcink. Just changed the brackets and stuffs. EDIT: GOT NINJA'D.
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Post by darth vader on Jan 31, 2013 11:48:14 GMT -8
i like proboards better bc i've been rping on proboards forever and hate change everything should stay the same forever and ever
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Post by Poet on Jan 31, 2013 12:28:36 GMT -8
Honestly, I've tried Jcink and Invisionfree before. (ALSO YES BOO FORUMMOTION). But, regardless, I enjoy proboards. I'm a simplicity type person, and it just is so much more familiar and simple for me, so I am a proboards person, here. I find myself turned off by sites on Jcink and Invisionfree, and I've stopped joining them, because it'll lead to me eventually leaving.
So... yeah. Proboards is just far simpler for me.
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Post by jumpstart on Jan 31, 2013 14:11:33 GMT -8
i'm more proboards than i am jcink / invisionfree. jcink is wonderful with it's sunshine, rainbows, ect., ect. but i find a lot of their skins aren't really small screen resolution friendly seeing as majority of them have fixed positioning (then again there are some atrocious pb skins as well) it turns me off.
but in reality, that can be fixed easily. and that's basically the only thing turning me off from jumping ship to jcink, that and the coding. because even though everything is extremely customize-able it's a pain to code everything because - at least to me - there is so much to code.
if i sat down and coded jcink every once in a while, i'd probably be more inclined to jump ship to it, but rn, pbs ways of easy coding are too easy to give up ngl.
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Post by Kodiak on Jan 31, 2013 15:33:48 GMT -8
I love both PB and Jcink (not gonna touch IF cause its like Pre-Jcink so yeah) I love Jcink's features and all, the only thing is like what Jump said, the coding, I've never coded before, but from what I hear from a lot of people coding Jcink is a toughie, plus some of the templates are odd to use, okay and nice, bit tricky to use. Proboards is nice and simple, but uh, yeah that's really all I got. I suck.
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Post by konya on Jan 31, 2013 16:05:56 GMT -8
Download a plugin like webdev and use their live CSS editor and skinning jcink is a breeze. I personally think it's a hell of a lot easier and simpler than v5, based on how I skin.
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Post by Egao, Egao Everywhere on Jan 31, 2013 16:06:04 GMT -8
i'm more proboards than i am jcink / invisionfree. jcink is wonderful with it's sunshine, rainbows, ect., ect. but i find a lot of their skins aren't really small screen resolution friendly seeing as majority of them have fixed positioning (then again there are some atrocious pb skins as well) it turns me off. THIS. Yeah, while I love Jcink, I hate the skins they keep making. I think the one thing IF is better at Jcink is its better skins. IF has really nice designs so usually, I just take old IF skins into Jcink because I do NOT like the big, glaring colorful RP skins Jcink has. That's why I've decided to cross the boundaries and make a skin myself ;__; I remember though that PB used to have REALLY bad skins, as in contrasting colors of yellow and bright colors lol. That was back when IF was the thing.
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Post by KAT on Jan 31, 2013 18:01:11 GMT -8
i think that, as jcink becomes more popular, there will better ways for skinning.
on a side note, i love pb v5's theme editor. it's so great for noobs like me :3
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Post by Saska on Feb 3, 2013 16:04:49 GMT -8
I haven't played with PB v5, but I know the old PB pissed me off when skinning -- as in, I couldn't be bothered to skin it, because it was so ridiculously unorganized. I prefer keeping my CSS separate to my HTML, which I could have arguably achieved by building an external sheet and uploading it, but.... What's the point?
In all honesty, PB is probably better if you're HTML-nooblet. If you're into more advanced / actual web design then IF/Jcink is the better way to go.
The biggest thing about jcink vs proboards is the account swap feature. PB has been terrible for it.
EDIT: also, Jcink does have some of the skinning features (i.e. the colour changing as opposed to using CSS) like Proboards does. It's also pretty much the same as IF -- someone on Caution 2.0 has a super easy guide to convert IF skins to Jcink, and they look exactly the same. (I have the link if anyone wants it).
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Post by konya on Feb 3, 2013 17:17:36 GMT -8
EDIT: also, Jcink does have some of the skinning features (i.e. the colour changing as opposed to using CSS) like Proboards does. It's also pretty much the same as IF -- someone on Caution 2.0 has a super easy guide to convert IF skins to Jcink, and they look exactly the same. (I have the link if anyone wants it). Jcink has its own support guides in its skinning wiki as to how to convert skins from IF and Proboards to Jcink. Pretty nifty.
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Post by Starry Neko on Feb 7, 2013 20:56:30 GMT -8
I like Proboards more than Jcink. A lot of people are hating on V5 because it's new, but to be honest, some of it I really do like more. To have separate CSS now on all skins? To be able to change the mini-profile tables and the like in each skin without a code? I mean god yes- looking at is confusing. However playing with it more and more it gets a bit easier. As for the templates, I do agree it might be easier on Jcink, cause I've been a bit sulky about the fact I can't use float on posts because it breaks programming or whatever- but other than that, the linked accounts, and the like aren't really all that bad.
I agree with Tanz on the fact that I really do like Proboard's way of naming things- that's always bugged me majorly with Jcink. Majorly. However it's really just a minor thing, and I am working to learn more Jcink coding so I can work with it if need be. Jcink really does look good in some areas such as templates and the like- but as for someone who would rather avoid using them if possible sometimes, it really does help. I have only been on two Jcink boards, and one I couldn't read a thing, and I quit a day later after I helped a friend- and another one which I could read but fell dead. To be honest, forum hosts don't matter to me as much as the look of the site.
(Because I've seen both bad Proboards skins and bad Jcink skins that I haven't been able to read.)
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