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Post by konya on Feb 7, 2013 21:19:16 GMT -8
It's funny because Jcink has these as well! A lot of the features of hosts these days are getting to be the same - it's the software and ACP setup that's different. When it gets down to it, with v5 or just by changing hosts, you're going to have to learn new software. Really it's about what you're comfortable with. I'm not comfortable with v5 (before anyone tries to call me someone who hates it because it's new and hasn't given it a fair chance, like every other time I have mentioned how I don't like it - I have tried it and played around with its features), so I'll choose a different host over that any day.
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Post by Starry Neko on Feb 8, 2013 15:36:29 GMT -8
I don't really doubt that. Proboards has switched over to the users by numbers, not by usernames just like Jcink has. Despite it annoying me, it's now pretty much what will happen. I think it's up to the person. I don't dislike V5 (Besides the related stories, that thing is a horrible add-on.) nor Jcink. It's more of familiarity at this point that keeps me more Proboards than Jcink.
I might move to Jcink in the future, but right now I'm perfectly fine with Proboards- and it's up to personal preference in the end. I understand that perfectly fine. As to what you quoted, I was just saying it DOES have some of the features now that Jcink did have better. So it's now really up to which you prefer.
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Post by phosphorus on Feb 10, 2013 11:15:07 GMT -8
only reason i haven't been able to skin more of jcink is that i'm on a massive muse drain. i don't know about v5 but being able to use dohtml in jcink is a huge plus, and i feel like generally jcink skins are more... matured? iunno. :'D
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Post by katya on Feb 16, 2013 23:36:02 GMT -8
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Post by konya on Feb 27, 2013 3:38:01 GMT -8
...i just got an email from one of the jcink admins saying "we saw you, on this url (zellij's url) complaining about our downtime so we're going to explain everything you already know about it in more detail because we noticed you, specifically, were complaining"
ok it was worded nicer than that and they offered me free premium for my concerns but dang i'm creeped out so i guess if you're considering jcink you have to know that your little corner of the internet is going to be observed by the admins themselves?
i don't like v5 and now i'm scared of jcink where am i going to go guys.
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Post by Egao, Egao Everywhere on Feb 27, 2013 5:09:54 GMT -8
lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 5:10:50 GMT -8
I've heard that a lot of Jcink people are migrating to Icyboards because of the Jcink downtime, and proboards v5.
Icyboards uses MyBB and html templates, so it isn't too hard to go from Jcink to Icyboards. And the admin of Icyboards is willing to move your Jcink database over to Icyboards so all you have to convert is your skin which isn't too bad. I'm currently playing around with MyBB on my own too. MyBB has a lot of features that Jcink currently has including the Subaccounts, etc.
Skinning for MyBB is pretty similar to Jcink too.
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Post by Egao, Egao Everywhere on Feb 27, 2013 5:28:17 GMT -8
...wait, I think this answers all the mysterious guests in my site.
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Post by konya on Feb 27, 2013 5:28:29 GMT -8
two things i have with icyboards: will animanga rpers be willing to go to mybb (IT'S BEEN LIKE TWO YEARS JUST GETTING THEM TO JCINK) and will i ever have time to learn how to skin it? the answer to the latter is probably no. i've had a look at it and it'd take me a bit to take it all in and i just don't have the time 8C
i'm also concerned about icyboards being the new 'host of the moment' - sure, everything's rosy now, but how long will it take until it goes downhill and/or creepy? there's only one admin afaik and why they seem pretty swell, so does jcink as an admin (if people are wondering, i got the e-mail from his co-admin).
i'm going to give icyboards more time before i decide whether or not i want to convert to it fully. it does have the bonus of allowing mature content so we can all have those r18++++++ threads we've been dying for without fear of being reported? you can use that dick template without hesitation! some more icyboards bonuses are the database transfer stuff and the fact that mybb is a pretty common self-hosting software, so if anyone ever wants to make the move it'd be super easy.
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Post by Egao, Egao Everywhere on Feb 27, 2013 6:01:14 GMT -8
Regarding Icyboards, if someone could link me a site with a neat, organized skin, I'll be willing to check it out.
I'll be honest. Going to digress here a bit lol but part of the reason why I went over to Jcink was to experience a brand new community. It's true that rpers generally align themselves to hosting sites they're comfortable in but if they're thinking that they won't get a good member base because of the HOST, then they're wrong. People usually play it safe by using more popular hosts like IF and PB but you'll find out the hosting isn't really an issue in getting members. There are/were a lot of people from PB who didn't like to go to Jcink but how many really were they? From the people you and me know, they probably could sum it to something like 20, 30? And I think I've only really heard them from OTE, BTN and GS. And how many rpers and sites are out there? Probably ten thousands.
The moral of the story is that don't put too much importance on people's complaints. All this time, we can only gauge or make guesses what the popular opinion is from mouth-to-mouth information. There's no actual survey that had ever told us what the real situation is. We can't really make a conclusion so don't narrow your options regarding forum hosting just because of what the people around you think, especially if these people are the same community you've been in then you should expect them to be biased (unless they are dissatisfied, which some are over the v5 upgrade.) Since we've all been using PB and GS is a PB site itself, it's only natural majority of the people here are more inclined to prefer PB over other forum hosting sites. You're making a bad research if you will only ask one forum hosting community about this issue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2013 10:21:27 GMT -8
Also, if you're worried about creepy admins on Icyboards, I'm always available to host MyBB boards under my urls. You could get a subdomain, and unlimited bandwidth, unlimited space, and no ads. and I mean, if someone bought a license for IPB, I'd totally be open for hosting that on my space, but if you can afford an IPB license, you might as well host yourself. And I have tried getting pirated IPB boards, but they always die when you try to install plugins. :c or I failed when installing plugins. Probably the latter. And yeah, I know what you mean about how hard it was to get everyone to move over to Jcink. And I think it'll be just as hard to get everyone to move to MyBB, but I've always managed to drag my best friends wherever I go Okay, that's a lie. I lost a few rp buddies in the process... , but you also make new ones too. I also started RPing on HTML sites, with Boards2Go etc, and so when I joined the PB community like 7 years ago, it was still new and everyone was just trying it out. Now, a lot of the people I met when I first rping haven't really branched out from B2G sites, and a few have slowly migrated to IF or PB, and that's kind of okay, because to me, PB and IF/Jcink/MyBB or anything else has it own community and feeling to it. It's kind of like Tanz, I joined different places to meet a different group of people and to meet different rpers. I tried branching into tumblr rping, even, to try and get a sense of that community too. I think you just have to trust everyone to be a bit more open minded towards the platform, and hope that your site will be so amazing and everything that it lures in rpers. Edit: Regarding the Jcink downtime: here is an announcement recently issued by the admin. He's changed their security in the hopes that that should reduce downtime. o_0 ... Edit 2: Well, here's one of my favorites ... and here's another.
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Post by phosphorus on Feb 27, 2013 10:36:23 GMT -8
another reason i don't want proboards anymore: the stupid "threads on other boards you may be interested in!" box that you can't remove. i don't like seeing stuff like that popping up on any board i may be running.
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Post by Starry Neko on Feb 27, 2013 11:27:03 GMT -8
@ Katya- I realized that when I was browsing around. It was a lifesaver to fix all my old links. <3 Thanks.
I never actually heard of IcyBoards until today- and I don't know if that's the new fancy thing, and yeah, I don't know where it's going- but Jcink, IcyBoards, and Proboards (Including V5) have all good things going for them, and things we dislike. Unless we code a forum completely by ourselves without a forum host in the first place, we'll always have things we dislike. I'm more comfortable with V5 than I am with Jcink. However I don't hate either one, I grew into Proboards, and I can probably grow into Jcink if need be. However I see no great urge to move at the moment. I've already created at least five different V5 skins, and while yes, I don't like the box on the bottom with "Stories around the world" and I bluntly asked Proboards about this- it comes to the bottom line. It's for money.
If a forum host thinks that they will get more of a profit by doing something, they'll do it. This goes for any of them. V5, they think they will make more money upgrading like this, as it becomes more modern. Most people agree it's heading towards a Jcink direction, but....if they soon become one in the same with barely any difference, it'll still be up to personal preference. As for the mature threads on Icyboards? They have the -same- TOS as Jcink and IF, even Proboards.
So no, I don't see how moving to that forum host unless it's lax with it's TOS (Which is designed due to COPPA because advertisers get them their money, and the advertisers don't want to be advertised on that type of page sometimes), so I don't see how that automatically protects anyone. Many people tell me to go to Jcink and the like because of the fact that you can have more mature threads, but...you really can't according to the TOS. But anyways, it's mostly up to personal preference, so you just have to roll with the punches.
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Post by konya on Feb 27, 2013 15:36:07 GMT -8
As for the mature threads on Icyboards? They have the -same- TOS as Jcink and IF, even Proboards. This is a quote from the mouth of the icyboards admin - (I can link you to the post if you want) Also, I know 'people will join regardless of host if they're decent' but in my experience they won't. I don't have friends like Skull, I can't bully them over, and you would not believe how many times I've had guests say "oh this is great! ... but it's jcink, bye". Even when I did [have friends] I had to spend several days trying to convince them to give it a try! I don't want to sit around by myself because that's kind of shitty? the rl rp community is more open to different hosts but i don't like that if i can avoid it so actually what people think about hosts is important to a loner like me. I have stuck with jcink since I first decided it was magic and there has been a huge difference in the number of wandering guests who will settle down now as compared to when I first started - and for the most recent, I actually think it has to do with Electric more than anything (hi electric thank you for having friends). Just because ambivalence towards changing hosts is mainly voiced on resource boards doesn't mean others don't think the same way.
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Post by Starry Neko on Feb 27, 2013 19:47:28 GMT -8
See, I didn't even see that, so I will give you that. I only looked at their TOS which says that however I did say in my post "unless it's lax with it's TOS" that it would work. So maybe it lax otherwise. However I guess I just know a different group of people. Just like you do. I just started in the animanga area, and while I have a few friends, no one really minds jcink or Proboards to each other. So I think it might just be who you know.
You're correct on it being on who you know. But as in the Proboards vs. Jcink, what the thread is about, the opinion I have with the people I know (Which is very few) they don't care about forum hosts. Though I'm sure that other people aren't. I joined Jcink sites in the past, and personally it doesn't matter to me, while it matters to others.
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